On this episode of the Off The Charts Football Podcast, Mark Simon (@MarkASimonSays) and Matt Manocherian (@mattmano) are joined by American University law professor and author Jeremi Duru to discuss the state of the NFL as it relates to hiring Black coaches and front office members, and Pro Football Hall of Fame senior advisor Joe Horrigan to detail the history and origin story of the Black athlete in pro football.

Jeremi talks about the Brian Flores case and the possible directions it might go, as well as what the league and teams are doing to try to increase hiring in different areas (). Joe talks about the early segregated NFL and how the color barrier was broken, as well as prominent players in Black football history, including Emlen Tunnel and Doug Williams ().

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